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2156 Landowners Association Working Group –
Summary of issues involvement May 2007 to 27 February 2104
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| 16 May 2007 | Inaugural Meeting 2156 Landowners Association | ||||||||||
| May 2008 | Liaise with St George Bank – set up Society Cheque account | ||||||||||
| August 2007 | Liaise with Bruce/Lyons/John Cordina South Dural Ratepayers Association & Michael Brown & Associates re. Submission to Hornsby Council re. Urban Zoning of Rural Lands | ||||||||||
| October 2007 | Draft Letter canvassing new financial members, finalisation and distribution | ||||||||||
| November 2007 | 5 Page Submission to BHSC re. Hills 2026 Community Summit | ||||||||||
| 11 Feb 2008 | Working Group Meeting | ||||||||||
| 26 Mar 2008 | Association Meeting at Dural Country Club – Members Update and Petition for Submission re. Draft North-west Subregional Strategy | ||||||||||
| March 2008 | Contact /liaise with Patrick Hurley, Planning Consultant (PGHEP Holdings Pty Ltd), re. above Submission and Patrick Hurley reviewed Association’s draft Submission | ||||||||||
| April 2008 | Liaise amongst Working Group and Lodgement of 36 Page Submission Draft North-west Subregional Strategy (includes Petition) with Dept of Planning and copy to BHSC. | ||||||||||
| May 2008 | 50 Page Submission re. BHSC Draft Local Strategy to Baulkham Hills Shire Council (includes Submission Draft North-west Subregional Strategy and Petition) | ||||||||||
| May 2008 | Liaise amongst Working Group and Lodgement of 9 Page Submission re. North-west Metro Exhibition Future Direction | ||||||||||
| May 2008 | Liaise amongst Working Group and Lodgement of XX Page Submission re. BHSC Draft Local Strategy | ||||||||||
| June 2008 | Liaise with Alex Davidson, 5 Acres Now Party & HOP Party re. Joint interests and address at Council Meeting 10 June 2008 (Alex given authority to speak during Council Meeting on all our Associations behalf) | ||||||||||
| June 2008 | Covering email with copy of 50 Page Submission re. BHSC Draft Local Strategy to all BHSC Councellors and Mayor | ||||||||||
| 10 June 2008 | Council Meeting – Draft Local Strategy – motion on Rural Lands issues lost by one vote (Mayor casting vote against) | ||||||||||
| July 2007 | Research – Rural subdivision re. Land & Environment Court decision re. 17 Glenhaven Road Glenhaven (Approved 2004)& Schulz Nursery Pty Ltd (Disapproved 2005) | ||||||||||
| 22 July 2008 | Working Group Meeting – Future Direction; Council Elections and representations (Liberal candidates/ticket endorsements) | ||||||||||
| 28 Aug 2008 | Association Meeting at Dural Country Club. Ray Williams State MP and Robyn Preston (future BHSC Councillor) attended and gave a speech. | ||||||||||
| 13 Sept 2008 | Council Elections (State Wide). Association members Patrick do Rozario & Adrian Schultz assisted as Liberal booth workers at Glenhaven Public School polling location. | ||||||||||
| 24 Sept 2008 | Association emails to ray Williams and Liberal Councillors congratulations for success | ||||||||||
| 30 Sept 2008 | Baulkham Hills liberal Campaign email to Association thanking our efforts and assistance | ||||||||||
| 3 Nov 2008 | Dave Parsons attended 5 Acres Now Annual Gen meeting; Councillor Mike Thomas attended; his email received | ||||||||||
| 10 Nov 2008 | Working Group meeting re. Strategy, focus and planning | ||||||||||
| 11 Nov 2008 | Draft Brief to bob Welsh (property consultant) prepared and circulated | ||||||||||
| 13 Nov 2008 | Email from Alex Davidson (5 Acres Now) ere. Meeting with planning Minister Keneally’s advisor | ||||||||||
| 18 Nov 2008 | Reply email from Bob Welsh re. Proposed engagement as consultant | ||||||||||
| 28 Nov 2008 | Councillor (Dep Mayor) Dimbrowsky (now Hills Shire Mayor) proposed meeting with mayor, Councilloors and Planning Staff headed by Micheal Edgar | ||||||||||
| 16 Feb 2009 | Draft Brief re. Mayor/Councillor/Planning Staff meeting for 3 Mar 2009 circulated | ||||||||||
| 3 Mar 2009 | Association Meeting with Mayor Bolitho, Councillors, Michael Edgar and Planning Staff; Patrick do Rozario gave 50 presentation; Michael Edgar requested by mayor to approach Dept of Planning and get back to us | ||||||||||
| 22 June 2009 | Minutes re. Mayor etc Meeting circulated by Connie Fimmano | ||||||||||
| 6 Aug 2009 | Meeting held with David Tanevski (Urban Taskforce Association – represents developers and financers); he wanted information about Glenhaven rural lands and location and size of lands for possible developments where thereb were adjoin or landowners favourable to development. Required land maps were prepared with indications of Associations members adjoining landholding. Subsequent contact from David was that his Association was not interested in development at this stage. | ||||||||||
| 25 Sept 2009 | Association (Patrick) contact with Bruce Lyons South Dural ratepayers Association re. their proposed rezoning. Information swapped and updated. Association Brief emailed to Bruce for him on a FYI basis. | ||||||||||
| 27 Jan 2010 – 8 Mar 2010 | Website creation various emails between WP members re. Simon Banks Webstudio engaged. On 28 Jan 50% deposit made re. Creation of Association website. Content requested for upload to website. Working Party emails re. reviews, blog sheet/forum form and contents | ||||||||||
| 12 Mar 2010 | Final information to Webstudio to finalise Website | ||||||||||
| 12 Mar 2010 | Email to North Ward Councillors Preston and Burnett re. further information on Hills Shire Draft LEPO 2010 where Mayor Dimbrowski claims LEP to assists rural fringe landowners in Hills Shire Times Article 2/3/2010. Council adopted draft LEP on 23 Feb 2010 Ordinary Meeting and forwarded to State Gvt for approval to exhibit. Ordinary Meeting of 23 Feb on this matter was “closed” due to controversial and sensitive nature of issue. | ||||||||||
| 22 Mar 2010 | Email to Clr Robyn Preston re. Hills Council support of South Dural rezoning; DOP Discussion Paper “Sydney Towards 2036” | ||||||||||
| 25 Mar 2010 | Phone conversation Patrick do Rozario and Clr Preston who, after discussion with Mayor Dimbrowski, suggested a mayoral meeting also with Michael Edgar Manager Council’s Environment & Planning | ||||||||||
| 28 Mar 2010 | Confirmed mayoral Meeting 13 April 2010 with mayoral secretary | ||||||||||
| 3-12 April 2010 | Various WP emails re contents and questions for Mayoral meeting | ||||||||||
| 6 April 2010 | Re-confirm Mayoral meeting 13 April with Mayor’s secretary | ||||||||||
| 13 April 2010 | Mayoral Meeting held with mayor Dimbrowski, Clr Preston and Michael Edgar and Connie F and Patrick dR from our Association attending | ||||||||||
| 14 April 2010 | Email circulation of Mayoral Meeting summary circulated by Connie F | ||||||||||
| 15 April 2010 | Meeting Summary uploaded onto website | ||||||||||
| 19-25 April 2010 | Liaising between Webdesigner and Working Party re. form/contents of website; blog/forum pages | ||||||||||
| 23 April 2010 | Association’s email lodgement to DOP of 13 page submission to “Sydney Towards 2036” Discussion Paper | ||||||||||
| 27 April 2010 | DOP email receipt of submission lodgement | ||||||||||
| May-mid June 2010 | Various Working Party emails re. next meeting; 16 June 2010 finally agreed upon | ||||||||||
| 16 June 2010 | WP Meeting held. Strategy and timing agreed upon. Member letter drop to be done with view of formal Meeting of old and new Members; Bob Welsh consultant to be approached re. advice on direction, timing and costings | ||||||||||
| 18 June 2010 | Email circulation of draft Member’s and future Meeting letter and updated Summary of Issues Involvement letter to WP | ||||||||||
| 11 November 2010 | Email to Councillors Preston & Burnett regarding draft Hills Council 2010 LEP proposed zoning for our lands. Discuss appropriateness of zoning our lands. The draft 2010 LEP did not mention the "Residential R5 Large Lot Residential" zoning (this is provided for in the State Template 2010 LEP). Our fundamental objection relates to the draft 2010 LEP and the absurdity of not identifying our land under a future category which is residential. Instead, it has been classified as RU4 (Rural Small Holdings), a category | ||||||||||
| 18 November 2010 | Clr Preston email saying she spoke to Mayor Thomas to arrange a meeting. | ||||||||||
| 19-29 November 2010 | Emails between working group for briefing material for Mayoral meeting on 30 Nov 2010. | ||||||||||
| 30 November 2010 | Mayoral meeting at 5:35 Pm in Mayor’s Office. Present: Mike Thomas (Mayer) Justin Taunton (Deputy Mayor) Roby Presto (Councillor) Greg Burnett (Councillor) Michael Edger joined the meeting at 6:0pm Dave Parson (President) Patrick Do Rozario (Treasurer) Lebba Khater (Member) Connie Fimmano (Secretary) Michael Edgar advised that under the present DOP/State Gvt attitude / policy, to have our lands rezoned under the draft 2010 LEP would not be possible. Best tactic is to wait till 2015 LEP rewrite and, with the South Dural rezoning, would be better chance. Consequently, it did not matter for the 2010 LEP that our lands were zoned RU4 (Rural Small Holdings) as there would not be permitted any rezoning. | ||||||||||
| 2 December 2010 | Connie F (Secretary) circulated minutes of Mayoral Meeting of 30 Nov 2010. | ||||||||||
| 14 December 2010 | Hills Council meeting, Cattai Tourist Precinct Planning was passed without debate, it is a proposal to reduce the minimum lot size at the 587 acre Riverside Oaks site to 150 square metres, to provide a total of 700 dwellings. Although they call it a tourist development, and repeat the word over and over again in the report, the predominant feature of the proposal is housing, not tourist facilities. The proposed hotel is now only 100 rooms, and they admit in the report that tourist facilities would not be viable as a stand-alone development. It is first and foremost a housing development, regardless of what they choose to call it.
We have no objection to the owners of Riverside Oaks developing their property in any way they wish, but have a very big problem with the way that the council has produced a report supporting it, while our proposals for reducing the minimum lot sizes, throughout the current rural 1(c) area continues to have every obstacle and excuse for inaction thrown at it. It shows a completely unacceptable set of double standards at work. | ||||||||||
| 16 December 2010 | As part of a policy of 5 year review, DOP release Metropolitan Plan for Sydney 2036 (review of 2005 Sydney Metro Strategy 2036). Reading of Metro Plan and emails between Working Party. | ||||||||||
| 24 January 2011 | Dave Parsons (President) email draft Submission for rezoning of 2156 rural lands intended to be lodge with Hills Council, DOP and State Gvt (via MP - Ray Williams) | ||||||||||
| Jan – 5February 2011 | Emails between Working Party re. draft Submission contents Including brief to Bob Welsh, Consultant | ||||||||||
| 5 February 2011 | Email to Bob Welsh requesting consideration to act for us | ||||||||||
| 9 February 2011 | Email from Patrick dR (Treasurer) circulated re. Hills Council draft DCP 2011 proposed exhibit with draft LEP 2010 | ||||||||||
| 10 February 2011 | Email from Bob Welsh accepting to assist us. | ||||||||||
| 10-24 Feb 2011 | Emails between Working Party re. WP meeting and Bob Welsh meeting on 24 Feb 2011. | ||||||||||
| 24 February 2011 | Working party meeting at 7.00pm. Bob Welsh attended from 7.30 pm. | ||||||||||
| 25 February 2011 | Connie F (Secretary) circulated minutes of meeting. Bob Welsh requested to review draft Submission and enquire with engineer as to availability of essential services for our lands. | ||||||||||
| 9 March 2011 | Bob Welsh reviews draft submission and speaks to Laurie Rose (engineer) and Peter Lee; requests members’ lands in zoning maps. | ||||||||||
| 9 March 2011 | Patrick dR (Treasurer) email 2 zoning maps showing members lands in 2156 zoning map. | ||||||||||
| 9 March 2011 | Email submission to Daily Telegraph newspaper blog on housing and urban issues yesterday as part of the state election issues. Circulated submission within working party too. | ||||||||||
| 9 March 2011 | Reply from Vikki Campion| Urban Affairs Reporter | The Daily Telegraph saying she would be happy to do a newspaper artice on our issue. Circulated email within working party too. Ph: 02) 9288 3452 | 0406 530 616 | Fax: 02) 9288 2608 | campionv@dailytelegraph.com.au http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph
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| 12 March 2011 | Email circulation of updated Summary of Issues Involvement letter to WP | ||||||||||
| 15 April 2011 | Email ex Bob Welsh re. Obtained Report from Bob Brown Consultancy and proposed meeting with WP. | ||||||||||
| 20 April 2011 26 April 2011 Minute circulated
| Meeting of WP with Bob Welsh. Minute as follows:
Hi all, 2156 Landowners Association. Meeting with Bob Welsh Wednesday 20th April 2011 at Glenhaven. The meeting commenced at 7:15 Pm Present: Dave Parson President, Patrick Do Rozario Treasurer. Connie Fimmano Secretary. Members: Lebba Khater, Tony Fimmano, Sam and Maria Cipri, Roy and Joseph Fimmano. Adviser: Bob Welsh Bob Welsh addressed the 2156 working group and presented his findings regarding the services which are required before making a submission tho the Hills Shire Council for the LEP. The boundary line of the proposed rezoning area on our original proposal was considered inadequate due to the Dural Dural Creek flow line and the catchment of the proposed lands had to be addressed and changed so as the catchment was used to form the base of the proposed rezoning area. This means that some of our members will need to be excluded (Note: after the Meeting, having regards to the Members register spreadsheet adresses, four members were determined to fall within this exclusion). We agreed that we need to notify them in writing explaining that the decision to alter the boundaries has come about by the advice of expert town planner Peter Lee. His enquiries with Bob Brown, Peter Lee (Planner) and Norman Mann who worked with Sydney water in Planning have come to the conclusion that we cannot use the existing tower at Dural and therefore a new Supplementary Tower of water is required. Bob found that the new water supply for Kellyville will not be available till 2025. He feels that this may be somewhat incorrect and that the water will be available sooner. There is no problem with the electricity supply. The Sewer served by Russell Treatment Works already proposed for Kellyville will be put in place by 2015. Once that is in place we would need to build a pumping station and connect our lands to that system. Bill Ray Frazer will advise as to the capacity of the Sewer System. Because our lands have not been considered in the Metropolitan Development Program (Department of Planning), Bob Welsh expressed that we will not have the support of Sydney Water and therefore all of these costs would have to be met by the Landowners. Given that we don’t have the money to address these expenses, the importance of a Funding Proposal for the Infrastructure needs to be put to our members. Bob Suggested that we need to address the Hills Council Councillors and present them with a short draft of our submission in seeking their support for our proposed inclusion in the rezoning of the land and also to be included in the Metropolitan Development Program. Dave asked Bob Welsh if he was prepared to use his letterhead when addressing the suggestion he presented to us in his representation to the submission we will make to the LEP on exhibition by the Hills Shire Councils. He also asked him to make the changes to the map in question on the submission as well as draft the short letter to the Councillors. In addition, Patrick, as Treasurer, requested Bob to email his work-to-date fees so they we could arrange payment. Bob Welsh agreed to all the requests and a meeting was proposed for Wednesday the 4th May at 7pm at Glenhaven The meeting concluded at 9pm.
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| 27 April -12 May 2011 | Various email amongst WP and Bob Welsh re. Association’s submission re Hills draft LEP 2011 exhibited | ||||||||||
| 13 May 2011 | Lodgement with Hills Shire of Association Submission re. Hills Draft LEP 2010 containing supporting letter/submission from Bob Welsh, Consultant re. North Glenhaven Precinct Plannin g Proposal | ||||||||||
| 25 May 2011 | Email to all Hills Shire Councillors, Ray Williams MP supporting Clrs Preston, Burnett and Ray Williams efforts re. North Ward residents concern about Biodiversity Clause and Map in draft LEP 2010 as being onerously and unduly restrictive and supporting Hill Time newspaper article of 25 May 2011 + Email request for advice, support an opportunity for discussion re. Lodgement with Hills Shire of Association Submission re. Hills Draft LEP 2010 containing supporting letter/submission from Bob Welsh, Consultant re. North Glenhaven Precinct Planning Proposal
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| 7 June 2011 | Second email to Mayor, all Councillors & Michael Edgar re. Biodiversity Clause/map and Associations submission including North Glenhaven Precinct Planning Proposal | ||||||||||
| 20 June 2011 | Hills Council (Michael Edgar) acknowledgement letter of submission and 2 emails and contact advised as the Principal Forward Planner, Janelle Atkins on 9843 0266. | ||||||||||
| 21 June 2011 | Various email re. meeting with Ray Williams MP re Biodiversity Clause/map and Associations submission including North Glenhaven Precinct Planning Proposal | ||||||||||
| 24 June 2011 26 June 2011 Minute circulated
| Meeting with Ray Williams MP. Minute as follows:
Record of Meeting with Ray Williams MP Friday 24 May 2011 at 4 pm at his Rouse Hill Office Attendees: Ray Williams, Dave Parsons, Lebba Khater, Stephen Lam and Patrick do Rozario Commenced approx 4.10 pm Purpose: to discuss proposed biodiversity clause/map in the draft LEP 2010 and the 2156 Landowners Association Submission (which included North Glenhaven precinct planning proposal) Biodiversity provision and mapping Ray Williams mentioned that he had been working a lot with Micheal Edgar to get a proper outcome in rural subdivision and that there had not been any new 5 acre land releases since the 1970’s. The draft LEP 2010 has changed that.[1] with, in particular, the rural cluster subdivision provisions. Ray said that the biodiversity provision and mapping were really only to get the Dept of Planning more attracted to the proposal and would not affect our rural lands (proposed under the draft LEP 2010 to be zoned Rural RU4 Small Holdings).
He said that with the cluster subdivisions, a large proportion of the development would have to be preserved as community green space so that the other, more economically valuable portion of land, could be developed and marketed. He cited the Cobran Road development in Kenthurst as a fine example of how rural lands could be developed with fine and attractive community and preservation of rural aspect. Housing prices there were at a premium.
North Glenhaven Precinct Planning Proposal
He said that all the Councillors and Hills (Development) Council (staff) were aware of the Glenhaven Road development and in favour of it. However, the main problem was lack of money and provision of services. He said that the trigger to the Glenhaven development would be the development of the South Dural lands. Both the Hills Council and Hornsby Council wanted the South Dural development and he did not know what was holding it up. He had contacted Sam Haddad.(Director General. Department of Planning) 2 months ago and was told that a decision would be made “in the near future”. To date, there has not been any decision, so Ray will be sending out a reminder letter to Sam Haddad in the next 2 weeks.
Once the South Dural development goes ahead, Ray thought that this would force sewer works to be done along Glenhaven Road or the Glenhaven area so that that development could connect with the Rouse Hills treatment plant. He said that Castle Hills treatment was full and that they were trucking waste from there to Rouse Hill which had lots of capacity.
Also, relevant for us, was the North Kellyville development. Ray said that originally that area was not to be connected with the sewer until 2015 however, at present 50% has been done. With the water, the projected date is 2020, however he believes that this will be accelerated too.
Metropolitan Development Program & Gateway provisions
Dave asked about what next for our Glenhaven lands what about the MDP and Gateway Provisions. Ray said that the problem is that there was no money and this would have to be put forward by the Councillors via the Hills Council (Planning). He thought that there would be no real benefit in lobbying the Councillors as they were all on-side and aware already. The best way would be for the South Dural development to occur and then, as a matter of consequence, the Glenhaven development would need to occur and that would be taken up by Councillors/ Council directly.
Concluded approx 5.20 pm
Subsequent to the Ray Williams meeting
Dave, Lebba, Stephen and I had a meeting afterwards and decided on the following:
1. Dave would call Bruce Lyon to get feedback as to how the South Dural development was going on as well as how Bruce thought the sewer lines to service our Glenhaven lands would run and be connected to (Rouse Hill?) (I would email Bruce’s contact details to him); 2. Lebba was interested to know whether the North Kellyville development has any biodiversity mapping. I said that I would find the maps and circulate them. 3. We were still concerned about the biodiversity overlap mapping affected our Glenhaven properties and could not see the need (or fairness) for the mapping and potential disadvantage to us only for the RU Rural Landscape landowners who could now subdivide their lands under the community title provisions. I agreed to draft a letter to Michael Edgar to test Ray William’s comment (without identifying him) that the biodiversity clause and mapping was meant to apply to the RU2 Rural Landscape landowners and would not have any affect for us (proposed Rural RU 4 Rural Small Holdings landowners).
Patrick do Rozario 25 May 2011
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| 27 June 2011 | Emails circulated re North Kellyville Biodiversity Map (North Kellyville not being effected by Biodiversity green overlap on Map) and draft email to Michael Egdar/Janelel Atkins re. test that the biodiversity clause and mapping was meant to apply to the RU2 Rural Landscape landowners and would not have any affect for us (proposed Rural RU 4 Rural Small Holdings landowners). | ||||||||||
| 29 June 2011 | Phone contact with Bruce Lyon. Details as follows:
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| July 2011 | Numerous emails between Working Group regarding changes in members spreadsheet, drafting members / public letter for Association Meeting on 14 Sept 2011 at Dural Country Club and to Hills News to request a newspaper article on the Association and the Meeting | ||||||||||
| 1 Aug 2011 | Payment of $7,700 Invoice for Consultancy fees from Bob Welsh Consulting and Brown Consulting. Association bank account insufficient so majority of the funding obtained via interest free loan special levy from 7 Working Party and Association members to the Association. | ||||||||||
| 10 August 2011 | Email to editor hills News (Ms Heloise Reece) with Updated Association brief forwarded | ||||||||||
| 10 August 2011 | Drafting email to Mayor, Clrs and Ray Williams inviting them to Association Meeting | ||||||||||
| 15 August 2011 | 31 members invitation letters and envelopes prepared and posted with another 60 invitation letters and envelopes prepared for letterbox delivery | ||||||||||
| 16 August 2011 | Email from Sally Willoghby Hills News acknowledging receipt of Association’s email and advising that she will get back to us after review of Association Brief. | ||||||||||
| 17August 2011 | Email invitation for Association Meeting on 14 Sept 11 sent to Mayor, Deputy Mayor, Clrs Preston, Burnett and Burton, and Ray Williams MP | ||||||||||
| 18 August 2011 | Emails received - Ray Williams MP unable to attend Meeting on 14 Sept 11 as NSW Parliament is sitting and Mayor Thomas will be away opening the Orange Blossom Festival Arts Award | ||||||||||
| 18 August 2011 | Email with Alex Davidson 5 Acres Now Association re Hills Council’s tentative scheduling Tues 23Aug 2011 as an Ordinary Council meeting to consider the draft LEP 2011. Touching base about strategies, attendance at Meeting and possible addressing Meeting option. | ||||||||||
| 19-22 August 11 | Perusal and detailed reading where relevant Council’s detailed 327 page Meeting Agenda Paper, preparation of draft Address fro proposed deliver at Meeting, circulation of draft between working group and email liaison with Alex Davidson 5 Acres Now re. strategy, form and content of presentation | ||||||||||
| 22 August 2011 | Patrick do Rozario called Hills Notification Officer margurite Sparkes requesting to give address at Council Meeting represent Association; emailed authority from Association to Council | ||||||||||
| 23 – 23 August 2011 | Patrick prepration of Meeting Presentation paper and circulation amongst WP for comment | ||||||||||
| 23 August 2011 | Michael Edgar Hills Group Manger Planning called to say that Mayor Thomas had decided because there was so many requests for presentation at the Council Meeting that no-one (Public) would be permitted to address the meeting on the basis that we had made our submission already during the exhibition period. | ||||||||||
| 23 August 2011 | Dave, Connie/Tony, Patrick and certain members attended Council Meeting at 7PM | ||||||||||
| 24 August 2011 | Copy of record of conversation between Dave and Brucee Lyons (South Dural) Just had a very interesting conversation with Bruce Lyon’s. | ||||||||||
| 25 August 2011 | Patrick email re strategies noting State Gvt had launch a review of the EPA aiming for legislation changes to be within 18 mths and Community consultation, comments on Gateway Determination requirement etc | ||||||||||
| 26 August 2011 | Dave Parsons contact with Michael Brown Consultants about a master Plan for submission to Dept of Planning for Gateway Determination. Michael request copy of Association submission on draft LEP 2010 including North Glenhaven Precinct Planning Proposal. Patrick forwarded said copy to Michael with Michael acknowledging receipt of document and will get back to us. | ||||||||||
| 26 August 2011 | Patrick circulated email about Dept of Planning eNews re 1. Planning system review | ||||||||||
| 29 August 2011 | Dave Parsons phone contact Michael Brown (Planning) to request indicative quote for his services re. Masterplan and assistance re. Gateways Determination and Metro Development Program with Hills Council and Dept of Planning. Various Emails with end email confirming meeting on Sat 3 Sept at 2.45 pm to meet and discuss at Connie/Tony’s house. | ||||||||||
| 29 August 2011 | Patrick do Rozario emailed Sally Willoughby re Association proposed article in Hills News, noting sally had written two articles on the draft LEP and residents being unhappy as hey did not have a chance to address the Council Meeting. | ||||||||||
| 31 August 2011 | Sally Willoughby reply email saying that she has begun the article and submitting to her editor and will contact us if further info needed. | ||||||||||
| 3 September 2011 | Meeting with Michael Brown (Planning Strategies) – Minutes: Record of Meeting :Michael Brown (Michael brown Planning Strategies) and 2156 Landowners Assocn - 2.45 pm – 4.15 pm, Sat 3 Sept 2011; 29 Glenhaven Rd, Glenhaven. - Attendees; Michael Brown; Connie & Tony Fimmano, Sam Cipri, Stephen Lam and Patrick do Rozario Michael introduced himself and gave a brief summary of the developments he had been associated with, putting forward several development plans including that of South Dural. He confirmed that Bruce Lyons believes that South Dural would be announced in the next 6 weeks and that the sewer lines would go through Rouse Hill and this would help getting those services to rural Glenhaven.
I forward some discussion points (including background - see Attachment A) to him and Michael emailed a quote from Steven McMahon - Inspire Urban Planning (see Attachment B) for a Masterplan for rural Glenhaven. We noted that the quote was for $5,000 ex GST and did not include several key items eg required studies and hourly representation. We noted that the letter mentioned that the Minister for Planning encouraged community consultation and particularly noted the following:
In terms of “strategic justification”, my observations of recent comments from the Minister for Planning suggest that there is significant Strategic Justification if sites have urban capability. The Minister has stated on a number of occasions recently (including the Alan Jones Show and in fact repeated it today at an Urban Taskforce lunch I attended), that the Government is vitally interested in releasing land that can assist the housing shortage on the fringe of Sydney provided it is not constrained by lack of infrastructure.
He has publicly invited submissions from landowners and contact should be made with the Director General of the Department of Planning. Clearly the door is open to the Glenhaven land owners for such requests.
We ask if we could get, as realistic as possible, a quote that includes necessary studies [flora/fauna; bushfire; services (water/sewer/electricity etc) and traffic impact] so that we could put the cost to our members to be accepted and have the necessary funding in place.
Michael noted there we had some water/sewer reports from Brown Consulting that Bob Welsh commissioned and asked if he could get a copy to assess whether they are sufficient. I said that I would get in contact with either Bob for Brown Consulting (direct, to which Michael gave me Peter Lee’s phone number 8808 5000 as the most suitable contact there).
He said that the gateway process was the best avenue and confirmed that having the submission includes required studies done at our expense was the quickest method as well as being able to retained control on the studies (which we could not do if we asked Council to do the studies).
Michael showed us the “Guide to Planning Proposal” from the DOP website and said that it was necessary to have as many landowners on-side as possible. He confirmed that South Dural has 80% of the landowners on side. We recognised that the large residences (eg Gilmore Close) might not want subdivision and that it may not be worthwhile for them or in their interests. Micheal said that those large lot holdings (and neighbouring ones) could be preserved in the lots size planning maps. It was important for them and others not to be vocally against subdivision. It was recognised that there would be people against it and others for it, but not willing to pay anything. We had to live with the “fence-sitters’ and those for subdivision yet not willing to contribute. We needed to confirm our boundaries and get as many landowners on side as possible. We needed to consult with the Hills Council, understanding their requirements as to degree of studies, as well as lodge and approach the Dept of Planning directly. Michael said that these rezoning matters did not happen quickly and that it took patience, persistency and dealing with the right people. We noted the impact of retirement villages in our rural area and that they did not pay section 97 contributions.
The meeting concluded with me undertaking to get the Brown Consulting services reports to Michael so that he could better estimate the quote for the Masterplan.
Subsequent meeting When Michael left, we discussed whether Connie could put together a statement estimating the impact on property values for rural lands and then after subdivision approval. I noted that North Kellyville property generally went from around $1.5M for 5 acres to $3M once rezoned, doubling its value. Connie said that she would put something together to table at the meeting to encourage to get on-board with subdivision and contribute to the studies and costs.
Patrick do Rozario 04/09/2011 Attachment A Michael Brown Meeting 03 Sept 2011- Suggested Discussion Points A. Background:
1. Aware of Michael’s association with South Dural proposed development. 2. Dave Parsons spoke to Bruce Lyons 1 ½ weeks ago and Bruce: · seemed confident that an announcement will be made within next 6 weeks; · Raised the prospect of subdivision of Glenhaven land at a “very senior level’ within the DOP; · Acknowledged that possible for Council to pay for studies required for subdivision but strongly recommended do own studies at our expenses as: i. Council will take twice as long; and ii. We would loose control of the process · He would use the “gateway” process if he had to do it again as it provides a faster more certain path for subdivision. · South Dural had 70 individual landowners (about 80% of all) and got them on-side with prospect of doubling of land value for a mere $10k contribution · Did not think our potential for subdivision will be effected even if South Dural sewerage links through Hornsby instead of Rouse Hill 3. Dave Parsons spoke to Bruce Lyons on 29 June 2011 and Bruce: · Said that the South Dural sewer would be via West Hornsby or Rouse Hill · Sydney Water told him that they would look at Rouse Hill so that they could expand the network to other residences · We should wait until the announcement on South Dural then contact Sydney water seeking confirmation of their preferred sewer route 4. Meeting with Ray Williams on 24 June 2011 (2 months ago) who said: · He spoke to Sam Haddad who said that a decision on South Dural will be made “in the near future” · If he receives nothing from the DOP he will write to them in 2 weeks time for an update · That Hills Council and Planning staff were for Glenhaven subdivision but lack of services and money was the problem · Castle Hills sewer treatment was full and they are trucking waste to Rouse Hill which had lots of capacity. 5. We have had meeting with Mayors, some Clrs and Michael Edgar who confirm that services are the issue and that they believed that if South Dural got OK for development then that would be the catalyst for our development – sewer from Rouse Hill would go up Glenhaven Road. 6. Patrick spoke to Michael Edgar on 23 August 2011 and Dave/Patrick spoke to Clr Robyn Preston on 24 August 2011 with: · Michael suggesting that way to go was for us to approach Clrs to put forward a motion along the lines of “that studies be undertaken in rural Glenhaven (need to specify exact boundaries) to investigate the potential for subdivision”. Once Clrs approved then it would be on the Council bugets and then receive funding. · Raised this matter with Clr Preston who said that she would be happy to discuss this with Clrs for us. 7. Lodged “North Glenhaven Precinct Planning Proposal” with submission on draft LEP 2010. Reply is that the Planning Proposal is inconsistent with planning guidelines and the direction for strategic land use for North Ward for the foreseeable future.
B. Gateway Determination
1. What is involved: · By Michael Brown: i. Masterplan ii. Submission iii. Studies (Note: Preliminary studies on sewer and water done by Brown Consulting Pty Limited included in above Planning Proposal iv. Indicative quote for above for presentation and approval at Members Meeting 14 Sept 2011 · By us? · By Hills Council and Clrs? · By Dept of Planning? C. EPA Sec 117(2) Directive – 1.2 Rural Zones – Prohibition for Planning Proposals to rezone rural land or increase permissible densities (Direction 1.2(4)). – Inconsistencies permitted so long as o Direction 1.2(5)(a) - justified by a strategy which (i) gives consideration to objectives of direction; (ii) identifies subject land of planning proposal; and (iii) approved by GD of DOP; or o Direction 1.2(5)(b) – justified by a study in support of the planning proposal which gives consideration to the objectives of direction; or o Direction 1.2(5)(d) – “is of minor significance” [Note no need for justified strategy or study stated] o Objective at Direction 1.2(1) – The objective of this direction is to protect the agricultural production value of rural land.” o Note: prohibitions not relevant to our non-agriculturally productive land; Council 2001 Rural Land Study 89% rural Glenhaven rural residential purpose – highest of all rural localities average of 67.1% o D. State Gvt Planning Review State Gvt recently announced review of NSW Planning Law with objective to rewrite the EPA in 18 months. Avenues for key stakeholders / consultation opportunities?
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02 September 2011 Ref: 11458 Michael Brown Michael Brown Planning Strategies PO Box 295 Camden NSW 2570 Dear Michael, Master Planning: North Glenhaven Precinct (2156 Landowners Association) Further to our discussions, I welcome the opportunity of assisting you in this project. Background I understand that for some time the landowners have been pursuing the rezoning of their properties at Glenhaven Road. This included a recent submission (Planning Proposal) in May 2011 on the Hills Shire Council Draft LEP 2010. Having reviewed Council’s report on submissions 23 August 2011, I note that it considers that “considerable strategic justification is required to rezone rural land to residential or to increase the permissible density of rural land. This justification did not emerge from rural strategy work undertaken across 2000 to 2005 which found that the majority of the rural land was unsuitable for subdivision due to environmental constraints and infrastructure limitations.” (p.207). Clearly, therefore, the key to unlocking the rezoning is: (1) the ability to demonstrate “considerable strategic justification” and the suitability of subdivision in light of (2) “environmental constraints” and (3) “infrastructure limitations.” In terms of “strategic justification”, my observations of recent comments from the Minister for Planning suggest that there is significant Strategic Justification if sites have urban capability. The Minister has stated on a number of occasions recently (including the Alan Jones Show and in fact repeated it today at an Urban Taskforce lunch I attended), that the Government is vitally interested in releasing land that can assist the housing shortage on the fringe of Sydney provided it is not constrained by lack of infrastructure. He has publicly invited submissions from landowners and contact should be made with the Director General of the Department of Planning. Clearly the door is open to the Glenhaven land owners for such requests. The challenge for the Glenhaven landowners, therefore, is to demonstrate that urban development of their land can be achieved with minimal environmental impact (and maximum environmental protection) and that infrastructure can be cost effectively delivered to the site. I note from the Planning Proposal report that it states that Brown Consulting believes that this can be achieved. If it can be genuinely shown that infrastructure (sewer and water) can service the site, then much of the grounds for Institutional (Gov. Agency and Council) concern with any rezoning proposal should be addressed. An Indicative master plan must demonstrate the principles how environmental protection can be achieved with urban development of the precinct. This would form the focus of my scope of work. Scope of Work In response I propose the following scope of work: 1. One Site Visit & Site Analysis (comprising site and surrounding areas) and preparation of site analysis plan; 2. One Workshop with Landowners. The workshop would agree master planning parameters such as lot sizes, dwelling types (including potential for “higher density” (i.e. integrated small lot, townhouse / senior’s living etc. sites), distribution/location of major open space, roads and access and indicative reservation of creek corridors and vegetated areas.
I would prepare an agenda and base maps. The parameters that would be agreed would be for indicative concept master planning purposes only (i.e. not a final development master plan) as they would not be supported by detailed traffic, flora and fauna etc. studies. They would also affect individual properties in different ways, which would require subsequent detailed investigation as the rezoning proceeded. At this time the parameters would merely illustrate the principles of urban development to demonstrate that environmental protection objectives as well as Government’s strategic justification” could be achieved. 3. Prepare Indicative Concept Plan and report. The Master Planning Parameters agreed above would be translated into an indicative concept plan that illustrates the potential for development, as well as the potential for environmental protection. The plan would be of presentation quality that could be printed out at large scale for presentation to Government. The concept plan would present similar detail to that which I prepared for South Dural (see attached image). It would not include a detailed subdivision plan, nor or any details on individual property yields/ lots etc. One set of minor amendments would be made to the plan after submission to the landowners for review.
The report would be a brief A3 landscape size colour document. It would include the site analysis, the Indicative Concept Plan and indicative Net Developable Areas (to establish potential yield (maximum 6 pages). Again it would be to presentation standard and support the actions of the Association in meetings with Government, letters etc. At this time I do not envisage the need to meet with Council and do not suggest involvement in any further meetings in order to minimise costs to the clients. Information Required • Services Analysis. While, not required for master planning, I note that it will be required to be addressed in the planning proposal and the ability to review the Browns’ report would be helpful; • Base castradal mapping including contours.
Professional Fees Professional fees are based on the scope of work described above, and an estimation of hours and charge out rate presented in the following table.
Total Fees We confirm that we can undertake the study and deliver the products as set out in this proposal for a total lump sum figure of $5,000.00 exc GST. It should be noted that the fee proposal: • Does not include printing and binding costs (that will be charged at cost if required); • Does not include any other associated disbursements / outlays (provision of mapping, aerial photography, plotting and any additional travel (mileage/tolls/parking etc ) that may be required to deliver the service (that will be charged at cost); and • Allows only for involvement and tasks noted above. Any additional work outside of these tasks (e.g. to attend to additional presentations or meetings etc) would be charged on a time basis plus any reimbursable costs (e.g. travel) or as negotiated. Hourly rates do not include any costs for travel or disbursements should they be required.
Current hourly rates are set out in the enclosed agreement for the provision of consultancy services, which I ask to be completed and returned in the event that approval is given to proceed. I trust this information is sufficient for your purposes; however should you require any further details or clarification, please do not hesitate to contact me. Yours sincerely, INSPIRE URBAN DESIGN + PLANNING PTY LTD Stephen McMahon Director
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| 5 September 2011 | Email to Bob Welsh requesting Reports from Brown Consulting P/Las mentioned in the North Glenhaven Precinct Planning Proposal | ||||||||||
| 5 September 2011 | Bob Welsh electronically forwarded requested Reports from Brown Consulting P/L; Entry of Reports on Association website | ||||||||||
| 6 September 2011 | Hills News newspaper article and internet on 2156 Landowners Asscn and 14 Sept Meeting see link http://www.hillsnews.com.au/news/local/news/general/glenhavens-2156-landowners-association-advocate-for-subdivision/2281341.aspx?storypage=2 | ||||||||||
| 6 Sept 2011 | Dave Parsons email Clr Robyn Preston concerning email from Clr Barbara Burton, requesting Councils support for Association’s Planning Proposal to Dept of Planning under “Gateway Determination” procedure. Email as follows:
Robyn,
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| 6 Sept 2011 | Clr Robyn Preston forwards email to Mayor Thomas and will discuss with Clrs. | ||||||||||
| 6 -8 Sept 2011 | Various emails between Robyn Preston and Working Group re. Robyn’s attendance at Meeting and contents of Meeting eg agenda and procedures | ||||||||||
| 7-8 Sept 2011 | Various emails between working group about delivery of reminder slips for letter box drop to rural landowners for Wed 14 th meeting and actual letter box dropping to letterboxes | ||||||||||
| 9 Sept | Email from Patrick to Working Group re. the interview between Alan Jones and Brad Hazzard on 12 Aug 2011 on Windfarms - again the portion from 8 mins to the end (12.15 mins) is relevant to housing.Alan Jones. Minister want to know of landowners with 100 hectare or more for housing; asks to email him directly. podcost link http://www.2gb.com/index.php?option=com_podcasting&id=2&Itemid=41&task=view&limit=10&limitstart=70#top
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| 9 – 13 Sept | Various emails between Patrick, david and Michael Brown in order to come up with an estoimate cost for the Gateway Indicative Master Plan to put to Members/Landowners at 14 Sept Meeting for approval/funding.
Patrick to get the ball rolling this will be ok Michael Brown Planning Strategies Bus: 02 4648 0877 From: Patrick Do Rozario [mailto:gladesville22@hotmail.com] Thanks Michael. · Steven McMahon - per quote 2 Sept 2011 and email 12 Sept 2011 = $6,000.00 · Michael Brown fees - per email 12 Sept 2011 = $6,000.00 · Additional meetings with Council/DEpt Planning · 3 meetings x 6 hrs x $242 per hour = = $4,356.00 Total = $16,356.00 If this is OK, I will present this to the members. Cheers Patrick
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| 9 – 13 Sept | Various email between Working group drafting and finalising Meeting Agenda, Discussion, Resolution and other Documents for the Meeting | ||||||||||
| 13 Sept | Email to Robyn Preston asking for feedback about Councillors support for rezoning in the context of a "Gateway" process planning application | ||||||||||
| 14 Sept 2011 | 2156 Landowners Asscn AGM/Members- Public Meeting - see following Minute From: danielafimmano@bigpond.com 2156 Landowners Association Public Meeting held at Dural Country Club on the 14th September 2011 commencing at 7:00pm Present: Dave Parson President. Patrick do Rozario Treasurer. Connie Fimmano Secretary. Working group members: Lebba Khater, Stephen Lam, Sam and Maria Cipri, Tony Fimmano, Roy Fimmano. Invited Landowner numbering approximately 45. The meeting commenced at 7:05pm chaired by Dave Parson Dave welcomed all present and while this took place Councillor Justin Taunton Vice Mayor for the Hills Shire Council joined the group apologising for his late arrival due to traffic. Dave welcomed him and thanked him for coming. Dave also addressed the apologies of Mayor Mike Thomas, Ray William and Councillor Robyn Preston who could not be present due to previous engagements. Dave confirmed the working group’s activities on the overhead as a power point presentation outlining the amount of work that has taken place over the last years since the formation of the Association. He then passed on the microphone to Patrick to address the General business of the Association. Patrick outlined the Action taken by the Association pertaining to the work prepared and presented to the Hills Shire Council pending the exhibition of the LEP. This was done in the form of a submission by the Association. This Submission was prepared by Bob Welsh (Advisor) and Michael Brown(Planner) since they have the expertise in this department. The hourly rate for consultation and preparation of the document being $230.00 per hour. The costing of which had to be accommodated by a special levy paid by members of the working group as a loan to the Association because the funds available were not sufficient to cover these costs. Patrick stressed the importance of having the members financial support for the Association if we are to proceed to make the necessary representation that being a costly outlay. He gave Michael Browns’ assessment of the Preliminary Costing to preparer a submission of a Master Plan under the Gateway Process that being approximately $16,356 and adding to this the Loan of the working group to the Association for $7,004.00 bringing the amount required to $23,360.00 The members’ contribution of $100 per landowner accounted for about $3600 that being based on 36 members contributing. The expenses incurred since these funds were contributed are listed on the Web Page Financial Statement as a true record outlining all payments made for specifics listed. Dave proceeded to explain the Gateway Process as this would enable the Association to determine whether it is a feasible way to have our properties submitted on a preliminary basis to the Council and the DOP for consideration for subdivision without having to outlay a lot of money. The sum of $23,356.00 when divided amongst a certain amount of members would not seem a lot to get the benefit of at least knowing if it is feasible to proceed or detract. An example as to the amount required was on the overhead according to how many members would be prepared to contribute. The benefits of having our properties included for possible subdivision was a major consideration to keep in mind. In doing nothing and remaining in the status quo we would not see any change occur to our properties for many years to come. Having the South Dural Association close to obtaining some determination from the DOP and the feed back we were given by the Mayor, Michael Edgar, Justin Taunton, Robyn Preston and Greg Burnett that it is important to work together with South Dural because if they get approval the 2156 Landowners Association would be in a great position to obtain the same favourable outcome. Councillor Taunton was invited to address the meeting. Councillor Taunting reiterated what Dave was saying. Now is the appropriate time to push forward and keep in contact with the South Dural Association. He said that all the elements were favourable in terms of the Political change that came about with the DOP encouraging the Gateway Process. The South Dural Association will also need to work with our Association as it may be the case that the Sewer to service their development will need to connect to the Rouse Hill Plant. That being the case it means that it will come down from Old Northern Road into Glenhaven Road to connect to Rouse Hill Treatment Plant. One of the attendees address Councillor Taunting asking the question relating to the conditions of our Roads that nothing has changed over the last 25 years and when can we hope to see some improvements to the area. Councillor Taunton said that the Councill don’t have the necessary funds to make any improvements . Any improvements will need to be addressed by the Section 94 contribution which can only be raised if development come about from both the South Dural and the 2156 Landowners Association if these two don’t go ahead we can expect to remain just as things are at the present time. Another attendee asked as to how long it may take for us to obtain some positive outcome Councillor Taunton said that he could not give a positive indication but it would be possible to have an outcome within 2 years of engaging in the Gateway Process. Another positive note from Councillor Taunton was that he feels that apart from Councillor Barbara Barton who doesn’t want to see any changes take place, the rest of the Councillors at the Hills Shire Council would be in favour of our proposal. All those present felt encouraged by his comments and showed their appreciation for his coming to the meeting by clapping and thanking him. Dave officially thanked Councillor Taunton who then excused himself to attend another meeting. Dave once again returned to the financial circumstances that needed to be addressed. In order to make an informed decision as to whether we are in the position of going ahead it is necessary to have a commitment by all the landowners present to ascertain their willingness to financially contribute to accommodate the preliminary but very necessary submission to the Gateway Process. He asked for a show of hand to determine how many landowners were present. Upon counting these there were 24. Because of the low number present the contributions would need to be adjusted to compensate for the costing of the proposal. A figure of $800.00 per landowner was suggested by Dave and once again a show of hands suggested that those present would be in a position to absorb this cost. One of the attendees, a lady who lives in Edgecliff Ave. Expressed that given that we invited all the landowners in the area and many did not attend the meeting it may be possible that the interest for subdivision is not in their mind and therefore we did not have the mandated from them to proceed with such a proposal... Dave agreed in principal. A number of other attendees made their views known by saying that some landowners who were not present were very much interested by could not be present and wanted to be informed of the outcome of the meeting. With this in mind both Dave and Patrick decided to gage the commitment of those present by distributing an identification slip and commit to a contribution to be determined once the number of contributors can be assessed. Some of those present partook in completing the slips and handed them in while others took them home including extra copies to be handed out to their neighbours who could not be present. The slips are to be returned to Connie at N0.29 Glenhaven Road Glenhaven. When these are received we will be in the position to determine whether the Association has a mandate to go ahead or not. Lastly the confirmation of the Association Honorary Position was to be determined with all position now vacant and a new nominations taken: Dave Parson was nominated as President and seconded by Fred. Dave Excepted the nomination. Patrick do Rozario was nominated as Treasurer by Lebba Khater and seconded by Mrs. Lam Connie Fimmano was nominated as Secretary by Mrs. Parson and seconded by Patrick. The status Quo remains until further notice. Linda Hoffman whom we thought had sold their property is still on board and willing to help with the uploading of information on our Web Page. Thank Linda Dave Thanked all present in saying that we will keep all informed on our web page to please keep on checking or my email. This will be done in a discretional manner in order not be intrusive in any way shape or form. The meeting concluded at 9:00pm
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| 15 – 19 Sept 2011 | Emails and follow-up for Members/landowners Resolution Form | ||||||||||
| 15 Sept 2011 | Email Deputy Mayor Tauntin thanks for attending Meeting; His reply email received 19 Sept | ||||||||||
| 15 Sept 2011 | Phone conversation with Robyn who apologises for not being able to attend last night but was glad that Justin attended. She was shocked about the email from Clr Burton and said that Clr Burton had a habit of saying things without full support. She confirmed that our group had support of herself, Greg Burnett, Mike Thomas, Justin Taunton and others and that we were recognised as a valid group by Council. | ||||||||||
| 15 Sept to 19 Oct 2011 | Various emails from Working Group advising reciept of completed Resolution forms from Resolution Pledgees, updated Resolution Received Spreadsheets and circulation to WG. | ||||||||||
| 19 Sept 2011 | Return Email from Justine Tautin as follows “Thanks for your email and also your kind words. I was happy to attend the meeting to outline the current state of play and also hear feedback from your association about the proposals and the way forward. Regards, Justin Taunton | ||||||||||
| 20 Oct 2011 | Phone conversation between Dave Parsions and Bruce Lyon (South Dural proposed development) inviting us for a meeting to discuss rezoning strategies. | ||||||||||
| 20 Oct 2011 | Phone conversation between Dave and Ruth Frettingham re. email from Dave as follows “Just recieved a call a behalf of the Association from a Ruth Frettingham Team Leader MDP, Strategies and Land Supply Department of Planning and Infrastructure Room 215 Level 2, 23-33 Bridge Street Sydney NSW 2001 GPO Box 39 Sydney NSW 2000 www.planning.nsw.gov.au Ph: (02) 9228 6274 Fx: (02) 9228 6400 | ||||||||||
| 26 Oct 2011 | Email and attached letter from Brad Hazrd Micister for Planning saying that he has asked the DFOP to immediately review the Association’s submission into Glenahven rezoning and given Andrew Jackson, Executive Director, Strategies and Infrastructure Planning, DOP as a conatc should we require a Meeting. | ||||||||||
| 26 Oct 2011 | Meeting with Bruce Lyon 4.30 – 5.15 pm at Epping Club with Patrick do Rozario and Lebba Khater from the Association. Advice given by Bruce. | ||||||||||
| 27 Oct 2011 | Minutes of Bruce Lyon’s meeting circulated as follows: Lebba and I met with Bruce Lyon at 4.30 pm and he had to leave at 5.45pm to attend a function at Curzon Hall Eastwood. | ||||||||||
| 27 Oct 2011 | 3 Draft emails compiled and circulated between WG for Michael Brown, Resolution Pledgees and Ruth Frettingham (DOP) | ||||||||||
| 27 Oct 2011 | Email received from Sam Haddad Director General of the DOP with an invitation to respond to DOP regarding rezoning of our land. Submission deadline for additional information for the DOP review date is the 21st of November. | ||||||||||
| 28 Oct 2011 | Email to and from Ruth Frettingham DOP as follows: Good morning Patrick “To deal with the first of the questions you ask - the letters you have received and the call from myself relate to the same matter. From a probity point of view it is preferred that liaison from this point occur through the email address landreview@planning.nsw.gov.au which will come to me to co-ordinate a response. Regarding your second question I would like to emphasise that detailed studies are not required at this time. As mentioned in the DG's letter the assessment will be a "high level" assessment which will focus on the broad questions of deliverability, infrastructure requirements, suitability of the land for housing and the like. In that context how much extra time were you thinking you require? Lastly, I will come back to you on a suitable meeting date and time. Your sincerely Ruth Frettingham”
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| 28 Oct 2011 | Email to Michael Brown re. DOP and Minsiter for Planning’s approach for a review of Association’s submission to rezone Glenhaven for new housing. Request for advice. Phone message left on Michael’s mobile at 3.45 pm to return my call. | ||||||||||
| 28 Oct 2011 | Return email to Ruth (DOP) as follows: Hi Ruth, | ||||||||||
| 29 Oct 2011 | Emails sent to Resolution Pledgees advising of approach by Minister of Planning and the DOP directly and the review of Glenhaven land for new housing. Request to make $800 contribution ASAP. | ||||||||||
| 29 Oct 2011 | Circulated between WG an email showing people I had emailed and those that required follow-up via phone and/or letter drop. | ||||||||||
| 31 Oct 2011 | Email to WG re. Follow up for Resolution Pledgees with no email contact; Michael Brown follow-up and Sydney Water sewer and potable water enquiries
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| 31 Oct 2011 | Email to Sydney Water as follows: I called the Sydney Water phone 1300 990 419 [to do with the North Kellyville (Cattai Creek) sewerage works] and spoke to Grace Illuzzi. She seemed helpful and asked if I could send her an email and that she will forward it to both Urban Growth and Forward Planning Sections of Sydney water, so that the most suited one ought to get back to us. Said email and attachments send. Further email to WG sent too. | ||||||||||
| 31 Oct 2011 | Just got this email from Ruth Frettingham DOP asking about a Land Review Meeting with the DOP on 14 or 15 Nov at 9,10 or 11 am. Emailed to WG and another email to Michael Brown for his info and advice. | ||||||||||
| 31 Oct 2011 | Phone call from Michael Brown. His advice to call Ruth and see if she will accept the Association’s submission (Bob Welsh) to the draft LEP 2010 as being sufficiently high-level for their present purposes. Email record of conversation to WG. | ||||||||||
| 31 Oct 2011 | Grace Illuzzi Sydney Water acknowledged my email and said that someone from Sydney water will get back to me this week. Email record of conversation to WG | ||||||||||
| 2 Nov 2011 | Meeting offer arranged with DOP set for Tuesday 15 November 2011 at Bridge Street Sydney offices. | ||||||||||
| 31 Oct -04 Nov 2011 | Collection of $800 contributions from Resolution Pledgees. Please deposit or transfer with a reference number (eg part name, house number or some other made-up number) and let Patrick know so he can confirm your deposit. | ||||||||||
| 3 Nov 2011 | Email Michael Brown to update him on situation and Meeting and ask if he able to attend cc to Working Group | ||||||||||
| 04 Nov 2011 | Follow-up Email Michael Brown to update him on situation and Meeting and ask if he able to attend cc to Working Group. | ||||||||||
| 04-05 Nov 2011 | Connie draft letters to remaining landowners requesting their participation if they would like their lands included in rezoning; circulated to Working Group; revisions and suggestions circulated between WG too | ||||||||||
| 03-05 Nov | Patrick and Connie follow-ups Resolution Pledgees $800 contributions. Patrick emails receipts to Contributors making electronic payments; St George banking 4 cheques received. | ||||||||||
| 07 Nov 2011 | Email follow-up Grace Illuzzi Sydney Water acknowledged my email and said that someone from Sydney water will get back to me this week. Email CC to WG. | ||||||||||
| 07 Nov 2011 | Draft Briefing Paper for DOPI Meeting 15 Nov circulated between WG for comments/suggestions | ||||||||||
| 07 Nov 2011 | Email received from Sharon Davies Manager Urban Growth Sydney Water Good afternoon Mr Rozario, I have received from Grace your email regarding the servicing of land at North Glenhaven. I understand you are meeting with the Department of Planning and Infrastructure on 15 November to discuss the potential release of your land for urban purposes. The detailed servicing needed for the Department will time and we are unable to prepare it in a week. I am meeting with representatives from the Department of Planning and Infrastructure at our regular meetings this Thursday. I will discuss the process of assessing applications for release of land and how the Department will seek comments from agencies, such as Sydney Water. I will let you know what the Department suggests is the process that applicants and agencies need to follow so they are able to assess projects such as your proposal for North Glenhaven. Regards Sharon Davies Manager Urban Growth Sydney Water Circulated to WG and reply emails sent as a thank and appreciate feedback from their Meeting with he DOPI. | ||||||||||
| 07 Nov 2011 | Email from Michael Brown with comment from Stephen McMahon about context of DOPI review. Email reply to Michael requesting his attendance at DOPI Meeting next Tues 15 Nov 2011. | ||||||||||
| 07 Nov 2011 | Email from Michael Brown putting Meeting in his Diary – as attending. Circulated to WG. | ||||||||||
| 08 Nov 2011 | Draft Briefing Paper emailed to Michael Brown re DOPI Meeting next Tues 15 Nov 2011 for comments and cc to WG | ||||||||||
| 10 Nov 2011 | Michael Brown replied saying the review ought to address the factors advised and examples of additional information in Dept of Planning & Infrastructure (“DOPI’) letter dated 26 Oct 2011 to the 2156 Landowners Association from Mr Sam Haddid, Director General | ||||||||||
| 10 Nov 2011 | Revised Draft Briefing Paper (addressing factors and additional information) emailed to Michael Brown re DOPI Meeting next Tues 15 Nov 2011 for comments and cc to WG | ||||||||||
| 10 Nov 2011 | Stephen Jo Lam & Tony and Connie Fimmano delivered another 70 letters to those who have not responded in the past. They have photocopied in access of 400 pages between them and included the letters from the DOP and Minister for Planning B. Hazzard We hope that this will encourage some further positive responses. | ||||||||||
| 11 Nov 2011 | Email received from Sharon Davies Manager Urban Growth Sydney Water Good afternoon Mr Rozario, I spoke with the Dept of Planning and Infrastructure (DP&I) about your proposal. They confirmed that they will work with the agencies to get the information needed to assess each application. DP&I will outline the process at your meeting with them next week. Regards Sharon Davies
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| 14 Nov 2011 | Final Draft Briefing Paper (addressing factors and additional information and minor additions) emailed to Michael Brown re DOPI Meeting tomorrow Tues 15 Nov 2011 for comments and cc to WG before copying printing | ||||||||||
| 15 Nov 2011 | DOPI Meeting, Michael Brown also attending - Meeting Commenced: 10.15 am, 15th November 2010 (at 23-33 Bridge St Sydney NSW)
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| 15 Nov 2011 | Email to Michael Brown, Stephen McMahon and Working Group with above DOPI Summary and confirming next step for Stephen to produce Indicative Masterplan as essential information to be supplied to DOPI by 29 Nov deadline for DOPI’s review about suitability of our Precinct for urban release. | ||||||||||
| 16 Nov 2011 | Liaise with Urban Planner, Stephen McMahon about requirements for Indicative Masterplan, scan cadastrial Map and send pdf format to Stephen. Email WG for consensus to authorise Stephen’s work for Indicative Master Plan. | ||||||||||
| 16 Nov 2011 | Received WG consensus and emailed Stepeh to commence work on Indicative Master Plan | ||||||||||
| 17 Nov 2011 | Email Stephen re location of Stage 2, of Living Choice Seniors villas currently being build and stage 1 also as this land show up as nun-urban (rural) land in the cadastrial Maps and should not be part of the land proposed for new housing; CC to WG | ||||||||||
| 17-18 Nov 2011 | WG circulation of draft letter for Developers. To be included in DOPI additional information to support that the subdivided land in North Glenhaven Precinct will be well sought-after. | ||||||||||
| 18-19 Nov 2011 | Email from Dave P forwarded to our Planner Stephen about Holland Reserve being Hills Council property for playing field and that Council dislike rezoning where they have to buy parkland for urban subdivisions. | ||||||||||
| 19 Nov 2011 | Email to Contributors about Political Disclosure Statement required where Reportable political donation made within 2 years of application being lodged/determined. | ||||||||||
| 20-29 Nov 2011 | Various emails seeking and obtaining developers letters to support Association submission that rezoned urban Glenhaven land would be well sought-after and willingness to develop – 5 developers letter obtained and included in submission | ||||||||||
| 28 Nov 2011 | Stephen McMahon Urban Planner emails 7 Maps including Indicative Concept and Net Developable Area & Density map; circulated to WG for comments | ||||||||||
| 28-29 Nov 2011 | Various versions of Association submission circulated between WG for review and comment; conversion of final submission word file to pdf file for emailing | ||||||||||
| 29 Nov 2011 | Association submission; 7 Maps emailed to Dept of Planning & Infrastructure. Political Disclosure Statement emailed to Dept of Planning & Infrastructure under separate email. | ||||||||||
| 29 Nov 2011 | Ruth Frettingham, Dept of Planning, acknowledges receipt of Association submission email. | ||||||||||
| Dec 2012 | Letter from the DOP with their conclusion about the Association’s submission on potential for new housing (see copy of letter at Blog site). The DOP concluded that our lands did not meet the criteria of housing to be provided in a short timeframe at no cost to government, primarily because of the fragmented ownership. However, the government agreed to investigate the potential of land beyond the north-west boundary of Sydney under the Metropolitan Strategy include the Association’s site. | ||||||||||
| 24 May 2013 | Various meeting and drafts re. Association’s submission of Sydney Metropolitan Strategy call for submissions – Submission lodged electronically. | ||||||||||
| 16 July 2013 | Meeting Association (Dave Parsons), Brown Consulting, Kieran O’Kane and Russ Parker re. gateway application for rezoning North Glenhaven (see copy of meeting Minute at Blog site). | ||||||||||
| 29 July 2013 | Meeting Working Party re proposed actions ((see copy of meeting Minute at Blog site). | ||||||||||
| Nov 2013 | Home Loan Direct (Kieran O’Kane and Russ Parker) re. gateway application for rezoning North Glenhaven discontinued as they required Agency Agreement from landowners. Committe not empowered to do so. Next action was to approach Brown Consulting for Infrastructure Report which is needed for approaching Hills Council and later gateway Determination | ||||||||||
| Dec 13 to Feb 2104 | Working party emails and communication re. Meeting with Brown Consultants | ||||||||||
| 12 Feb 2014 | Meeting with Brown Consultants re, delivery of Powerpoint Presentation and detailed discussion; Formal Infrastructure Report handed over in electronic form and hardcopies (see PdF summary of Meeting in Blog section in this website). In the next 2 months Brown will approach developers/investors and Hills Council and report back to us. Committee will prepare Newsletter and distribute and hold a Members/Public Meeting | ||||||||||
| 26 Feb 2014 | Preparation of Newletter (No. 2) and email mailout to members | ||||||||||
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[1] In the draft the minimum lot size has changed in Nelson and Maraylya, and the parts of Box Hill and Rouse Hill that are not included in the Box Hill Release Area from 40 hectares to 2 hectares.
Also, clause 4.2B of draft LEP 2010 (Subdivision of Land in RU 2 Zone - Rural Landscape) allowed a 10 hectare (or greater) parcel zoned RU2 and affected by the Natural Resource - Biodiversity map could yield a maximum of 5 development lots and 1 neighbourhood lot. However, it is important to note that assessment of the individual site characteristics such as vegetation, slope, bush fire risk and access arrangements will influence the extent of actual development potential.
In addition to the above, appropriate management measures will be needed to ensure the landscape, biodiversity and rural setting of the land is protected and enhanced. Development controls will support rural cluster provisions and address aspects such as design, building platforms, vehicular access and effluent disposal.